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Posted By : VanPelten | Date : 28 Jun 2022 17:55:55 | Comments : 84 |

Eagles Hotel California (DVD-Audio 24/96 Six-channel DTS rip)
1976/2002 | Genre: Pop, Audiophile | DVD-A Rip 24-bit/96kHz 5.1 Channel DTS Surround | FLAC+HQ scans | 2.4GB

If you were around in the late 70's and were within earshot of rock and pop radio, you heard the Eagles' 'Hotel California' and if you've listened to classic rock radio since then and till today, you are familiar with this album many times over, possibly even sick of it (as you might be with Fleetwood Mac's 'Rumours', Pink Floyd's 'The Dark Side of the Moon' and most of Led Zeppelin), as you might be sick of Eagles music in general. However, just this Christmas day, I was with family, and the household happened to have a superb DVD/Dolby surround setup and the man of the house received the DVD-A of 'Hotel California' as a gift. He put it on, and I was there to experience this already time- honored album in glorious multi-channel surround sound. If you thought you've heard enough of the Eagles' best album, you ought to give this a chance -- the classic title track alone makes it worth the purchase. You will hear cymbal swells, guitar parts separated and panned, vocals and all that is the musical brilliance of this album as you never have before. "Wasted Time" sounds so good it will make you weep (this was always one of my favorite Eagles album tracks, as is "The Last Resort", also benefitting from the DVD-A treatment) ... highly recommended for Eagles, classic rock, and music fans in general needing to hear how good either the DVD-A or SACD format can be. Amazon


Artists:
The Eagles

Tracks:
1. Hotel California
2. New Kid In Town
3. Life In The Fast Lane
4. Wasted Time
5. Wasted Time (Reprise)
6. Victim Of Love
7. Pretty Maids All In A Row
8. Try And Love Again
9. The Last Resort
Original recording: 1976
DVD-Audio DTS 5.1 release: 2002 (out of print)

IMPORTANT INFORMATION...PLEASE READ!
This is a fresh re-rip of the original DVD-Audio to 24/96 SIX-CHANNEL wave files, compressed with FLAC. It replaces my previous DVD-Audio post that was erroneously ripped at 24/96 4-channels surround. While it sounded excellent, it was missing the center and rear channels. My apologies for any inconvenience.

Burn to DVD disc using your favorite DVD-A authoring software (I use discWelder CHROME).

The new rip has been burned and successfully tested on three of my DVD players (Panasonic, Marantz and Oppo), but due to inherent watermarking of original DVD-A discs, the burn may not play with a few DVD models.

So that you may test the process without downloading the entire 2.4GB rip, I've uploaded a single 24/96 6-channel test file of Track #5 to Rapidshare -- http://rapidshare.com/files/250069679/TEST_TRACK-6CH.rar -- that can be burned to DVD using a DVD Audio authoring program. If it plays on your DVD player without stopping after 15 or 20 seconds, the entire DVD-Audio will play without a hitch and you can download all the files in the main link below with confidence and enjoy the outstanding sound provided by DVD-Audio.

NEW RIP UPLOAD LINK ---> http://rapidshare.com/users/RJT9VA
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Posted By: raj_mahid Date: 28 Jun 2022 21:26:00
BIngo! This has to the FINEST Audiophile upload I've heard, period. After downloading and extracting the flac files to .wavs, I used DVD-Audio Solo to convert and burn them to dvd. I'm listening on my system via my Pioneer Elite DV-49 and feel as if I'm in the middle of the Eagels' recording session. Great rip, great upload, thanks so very much!!!
Posted By: roybaty Date: 28 Jun 2022 22:31:21
isn't this dvd-a mlp data at 192kHz?
Posted By: cdfreako Date: 28 Jun 2022 22:41:22
@roybaty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Audio
Posted By: sokos Date: 28 Jun 2022 23:21:21
Se 100 Ekdosis To Exw To Diskaki Afto,
Ali Mia Den Vlapti,Prepei Na Inai Kai I Kaliteri.
Se Efxaristw Para Poli VanPelten.
Posted By: stfine Date: 28 Jun 2022 23:43:59
Marvelous, indeed! )

One slight problem.. When I listen to this using Winamp + headphones, "background" details sound very smoothed (like with a reverb) and stereo image is strange. I suspect that the problem is with Winamp mixing 4 channels into stereo... Is is tru and what music player can handle this correctly?
Posted By: VanPelten Date: 29 Jun 2022 00:18:15
@sokos: Eineh to kalitero ekthosi, vevos. Imeh efxarstimenos pos ektimate.

@stfine: It's your (and most) sound card that only plays back a stereo mix (probably the front 2 channels) of multi-channel; you have to listen to it on a DVD player w/surround sound amp/receiver & system after burning to DVD-A to hear the real thing.
Posted By: Guthead Date: 29 Jun 2022 00:32:22
Thanks VanPelten; I look forward to making a DVD-A with this very soon.
@stfine; might I suggest you try new drivers for your sound card (assuming it's 24/96). If your card is supported, Kx audio Drivers (available here: http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/), allow you to switch front and rear speakers (which might solve your problem). Also they support ASIO. Another suggestion is,(not to undermine VanPelten's fine post); if you are only going to listen to it 2 channel with headphones, you might get aksmans fine audiophile 24/96 180g vinyl rip; available here: http://avaxhome.ws/music/rock/theeagles_hotelcalifornia_hiresvinyl.html
Posted By: amitnewyork Date: 29 Jun 2022 02:42:30
Surround sound is 5.1, then howcome sound of these FLACs (4 channels only) can mirror the sound on the original disc? This is a lossy rip. Since you did so much work (or did you), what stopped you from posting the DVD image in its entirety? Unfortunate...so close...yet so far! Appreciate your post, but wished you had traveled a little more distance. If you are an audiophile, there's no room for compromise anywhere. I also don't understand most people's fascination with 24/96 vinyl rips. They sound crap compared to, say, an XRCD or DVD-A. Anyhow...even though I am not downloading this...thanks.
Posted By: roybaty Date: 29 Jun 2022 02:55:40
@cdfreako - thx, i didn't know multichannel dvda was limited to 96khz, the stereo mlp on this disc is 192khz

@amitnewyork - probably the original multichannel version was made for the QUADRAPHONIC that was in style in the 80s and this is just a strait copy to dvda by the record company
Posted By: amitnewyork Date: 29 Jun 2022 05:25:11
@roybaty: You might be surprised to know that 5.1 surround audio on DVD is actually lossy. Lossless multichannel audio is so huge, that it would fit only on a Blu-ray disc or a dual-layer DVD, both of which would be way too expensive. A normal DVD doesn't have enough space. PCM 2.0 coded audio fits onto a DVD nicely. I don't know about this DVD, but Wikipedia reports that this DVD-A was issued with surround sound. Anyways...I am not interested in DVD-A rips. So, it doesn't matter.
Posted By: elbandito Date: 29 Jun 2022 05:27:52
I have to agree with amitnewyork's comment.
Posted By: gfv0 Date: 29 Jun 2022 12:24:09
The only DVD-audio version I know of, was released in 2001 (Record Label: Elektra, Catalogue Number: 60509-9).
If this was taken from same release, then something is wrong. The Elektra release contained a 6 ch 96kHz/24bit MLP surround track.
Please state the source of this 4 ch rip? I have never heard of an official quad mix of "Hotel California".

BTW:
6 ch (5.1) surround audio on a DVD-audio is mostly 96kHz/24bit, MLP encoded, which is a lossless encoder.
Posted By: cdfreako Date: 29 Jun 2022 14:08:32
@roybady yeah I didn't know either until I started looking into dvd audio and how/if it could be "cracked"

@amitnewyork & "gfv0" I downloaded the files, burned them to DVD with DVD Flick, a great Linux proggie, and got full multitrack 5:1 surround sound on my home theater system. My receiver indicated the input was 5:1, so my theory is that all the channels are contained in the wavs. But it sounds like you're trolling more than critiquing anything.

@vanpelten this is one helluva post and want to thank you for it. Despite having several copies of Hotel California, including aksman's fab vinyl rip, this is definitely the king, I've listened to it 4 times already:)
Posted By: jette-frieda Date: 29 Jun 2022 14:33:42
Hi
I think that CD is watermarket! My Denon DVD 3930 stopped after 15-20sec.
I have byrned as DVD-Audio with Discwelder Chrome2!
Posted By: Guthead Date: 29 Jun 2022 15:29:12
Can someone confirm that this is a watermarked rip? My Denon 2900 respects watermarking as well, and I don't want to waste the download bandwidth.
Posted By: acronicmystic Date: 29 Jun 2022 15:31:13
I have a Denon DVD-2930CI and the DVD-Audio I burned from these files plays excellent all the way thrugh, no stopping. I used DVD Audio Solo v.1.44 to burn the Disk, no problems just great sound!
Posted By: VanPelten Date: 29 Jun 2022 16:46:35
For those of you concerned with your player and watermarking issues:

I just uploaded the shortest track (#5, title smacks of irony) to RS so you might test it by burning to disc with your favorite DVD audio authoring program. Try it on your DVD player to see if you encounter any problems. I tested the compiled burn on three players, Panasonic SD-97, Marantz BD8002 & Oppo DV-983H, and it played flawlessly in all of them, as it appears to have on several other units that were mentioned in the thread. But I can't vouch for every player out there and how they'll react to DVD-Audio compilations via watermarking...I don't want anyone wasting unnecessary bandwidth. The link:

http://rapidshare.com/files/249999596/DVDATEST_TRACK.rar (about 70mb)

PS: Thus far, there have been 240+ downloads/each of this post and only one reported problem relating to a Denon unit that I've heard about. However, if anyone else encounters an issue, please post it here along with your player, model number and DVD audio authoring program you used.
Posted By: stfine Date: 29 Jun 2022 17:20:22
Yeahhh!! At least! I get proper playing of this on the headphones / stereo acoustics.

Foobar 2000 + Channel Mixer component (http://pelit.koillismaa.fi/plugins/show.php?id=109), Output Channels in component config set to 2.

))))))) Marvelous!!!
Posted By: Guthead Date: 29 Jun 2022 17:21:31
Good idea VP. I'll go that route and give it a shot. Love the irony...
Posted By: VanPelten Date: 29 Jun 2022 17:29:58
Good luck, Guthead; please report back on how it checks out for you...wish I had thought of it sooner had I known anyone would encounter a problem.
Posted By: JustPlay Date: 29 Jun 2022 17:55:02
I have 8.1 HD sound kart at my komputer, with 5.1 digital speakers....and I can say this plays correct as 5.1, played with AIMP2 player.
The quality is quite good, except that for my taste missing strength in the sound, so it takes well to turn the sound button. :)
Posted By: johhenrik Date: 29 Jun 2022 18:49:05
VanPelten: Not to bust your chops, but something went wrong in your rip here. I have this DVD-A ripped already, and it is 6 channels, not 4. The total, as FLAC8 is 2.4GB for this one. Somehow 2 channels disappeared.

Excellent upload though. I really commend your effort.

edit: I did download your testfile. It is 93.4MB as a WAV. My rip is 140.1MB and includes 6 channels.

edit2: I checked in Audacity as well on your and my WAV of Wasted Time (reprise), and you seem to miss LFE and Center channel.
Posted By: raj_mahid Date: 29 Jun 2022 18:55:49
Great job, thank you! The DVD-Audio I made playse beautifully with tru surround 5-1 sound on LG BD-390 blu-ray DVD player. I hope you submit more of these in the future, all the good ones are OOP.
Posted By: VanPelten Date: 29 Jun 2022 19:47:58
@johhenrik: OMG! After reading your post, I went back and ripped another test of track 5...and realized my original numbnuts errors in not checking "merge groups" when extracting waves from the DVD-A!! My deepest apologies to those who downloaded it, despite sounding as good as it does.

Here's Track 5 (appropriately named, after all) correctly ripped (in Level 8 FLAC) with all 6 channels: http://rapidshare.com/files/250069679/TEST_TRACK-6CH.rar

As penance, I'm going to rerip the rest and up them to rapidshare with a new link. In the meantime, please accept my sincerest regret for the oversight; thanks to johhenrik for the candid feedback. I plan to post a few more DVD-A rips, assumimg I have any credibility left after this blooper :-0
Posted By: JustPlay Date: 29 Jun 2022 20:00:24
Why not rip at Level 0 FLAC, sounds more better. More compresed, more missing strength in the sound.

error (http://rapidshare.com/files/250059977/TEST_TRACK-6CH.rar)
The uploader has removed this file from the server.
Posted By: eadd Date: 29 Jun 2022 20:02:13
Hi
Few things
1) LINKS ARE DEAD, can someone please reupload it?
2)How do I convert it to a stereo? I want 24/96 stereo, is it possible? and how can I do it please ?
Posted By: VanPelten Date: 29 Jun 2022 20:09:08
@eadd: please read my post 29 Jun 2022 19:47...three posts above. I deleted the files after learning of an error in the original rip. I'm re-ripping and reupping them as soon as they're complete. If you want this in 24/94 stereo, goto aksman's terrific vinyl rip: http://avaxhome.ws/music/rock/theeagles_hotelcalifornia_hiresvinyl.html

@JustPlay: 0 Flac makes for less compression, larger files to download...especially with a post this large. The working link for my 6-channel test track is: http://rapidshare.com/files/250069679/TEST_TRACK-6CH.rar. I inadvertently removed it when deleting the original files.
Posted By: Guthead Date: 29 Jun 2022 20:18:57
Discwelder is reporting the test file as 16/96, not 24/96.
Posted By: VanPelten Date: 29 Jun 2022 20:27:52
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt147/vanpelt_bucket/TestFile6-Ch.jpg?t=1246307218
Posted By: JustPlay Date: 29 Jun 2022 20:48:12
Dear friend VanPelten,
The difference is perhaps only 200-300 mb, if it is a price for higher quality sound, it's not so high..
That seems to me more acceptable than vice versa.

Posted By: Guthead Date: 29 Jun 2022 20:51:40
Hmm. I got white noise too...I must have done something wrong in decoding the flac. I'll check into it some more. Sorry for the false alarm. It's the last thing you need right now, I know. Keep the faith though...and remember "it's always darkest...just before it goes pitch black"...or something like that...
Posted By: VanPelten Date: 29 Jun 2022 21:02:37
No problem, Guthead...appreciate all the heads-up I can get to make sure the new rip is spot on. Just finished re-ripping and preparing a test burn to DVD using discWelder Chrome to make sure it plays alright on my 3 DVD players. If all goes well, it should be re-upped by tomorrow. Here's a shot of the newly (and correctly) ripped 6-channel waves:

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt147/vanpelt_bucket/NewRip_DWChrome.jpg?t=1246308953

As for the original test file, dump it; I put the new 6-channel Track #5 up for test and approbation here in case you missed it (just noticed it's been dl'd 9 times already and no bitching...yet:

http://rapidshare.com/files/250069679/TEST_TRACK-6CH.rar

@JustPlay: With the new 6-channel rip, we're looking at maybe another 500mb or more larger if I use FLAC's 0 mode...I'll stick with 8, the best compression...especially for those good souls who might be re-downloading it again. I don't know why the playback on your pc & sound card should suffer...they'll still be lossless files.
Posted By: Guthead Date: 29 Jun 2022 21:29:56
OK VP; As I suspected, the disc is watermarked. There is no way around it for ripping the full 5.1 . My Denon won't play it past a few seconds. (sounded great for that few seconds though). In the future, it would be courteous to state in your post, that the disc is watermarked, so that only those with immune players will be able to download it.
I also discovered that my trusty xrecode flac decoder's latest update doesn't decode flac to wav properly.I had to use a different decoder (Foobar). Lastly, I think (and I'm always open to being corrected), that flac compression can't be compared to MP3 (Lossy) compression, where size is indicative of quality. Flac is more like Rar. The only cost for higher flac compression is time. It's lossless; so by definition, the compression ratio, high or low, will have no affect on the quality of the file. (just as the various RAR compression ratios never affect the file).
Posted By: JustPlay Date: 29 Jun 2022 21:36:14
At my Pc I can hear difference, and onest in principe I don't download flac 8 mode.
It's mean, I have no particular reason to re download.
Thank you
Posted By: VanPelten Date: 29 Jun 2022 22:00:58
@Guthead: Of course when I upload the new rip, I'll add the disclaimer about watermarking issues with certain players...some Denons seem to have the problems, from what I've just learned, as they have more aggressive watermark recognition than most players. Oddly enough, the Denon issues weren't mentioned in the countless DVD-Audio forum posts I read in prepping for the original rip & upload...and someone here posted his/her Denon played the rip fine...so I was unaware yours won't play the DVD at the time I uppped it. As I mentioned, I tested the burned DVD on my three different players and it played right through...go figure. DVD-Audio rips are relatively new territory, so it's still a work in progress.

BTW, why not use FLAC command line or a FLAC GUI frontend to decompress the files? Other than dbPoweramp, that's my main FLAC decompressing app. Lastly, you're absolutely correct, unlike lossy codecs such as MP3, Ogg, etc. there's no difference in sound quality due to compression ratios with FLAC or APE...lossless in, lossless out. Oh, I also discovered that APE (best stereo compression IMHO) won't do multichannel...FLAC is the only one.

@JustPlay: I'm not being "mean" believe me; just trying to do right by the people who expect the best, most efficient downloads on Avax. My original post was also FLAC level 8. I know how good the files you downloaded sound, so if you're listening with your current PC/sound card configuration and are happy with them, why bother with another (and even larger) download?

Best,
VP
Posted By: aksman Date: 29 Jun 2022 22:03:20
@JustPlay
It is simply not possible to hear a difference between FLAC 0 and FLAC 8 because there is none audible difference. The only differnce can be found in the file size... The author integrate that feature into FLAC only for faster encoding/decoding on slower computers. There is even no change in the bitrate. You can compare it with the different options of WinRAR for example... Slow, Fast, Fastest. Her is alsio the only difference in packaging/unpackaging speed, after decoding you have the original files again.
Posted By: grill Date: 29 Jun 2022 22:23:29
This DVD-A is definitely watermarked as revealed with 4C12bit utility of DVDAExplorer.
Posted By: acronicmystic Date: 29 Jun 2022 22:34:30
Watermarking is no problem for my Denon DVD-2930, the Disk I burned plays perfectly on it. There must be some dark variable science at work in this watermarking business. I'm anxious for the newer six-channel post, I'm game!
Posted By: Guthead Date: 29 Jun 2022 22:40:47
Just my luck; the Denon 2930 ignores watermarks but my 2900 doesn't. I hate my life....
Posted By: acronicmystic Date: 29 Jun 2022 22:52:16
Not to rub salt in the wounds, but my 2930CI is also region-free and plays PAL and NTSC. Perhaps they are very different animals, with different chipsets and technlolgy. Also a great up converting player!
Posted By: Guthead Date: 29 Jun 2022 23:39:17
And how exactly is that not rubbing salt in the wound?...:)
Posted By: stfine Date: 29 Jun 2022 23:44:56
Thanks you very much, VanPelten! We all make mistakes some time. Looking for re-uploaded 5.1 audio.

(Foobar ships with a 5.1 to stereo converter component, but the result seems too loud comparing to Channel Mixer plugin. Gonna compare them when have the real thing - the first track :)
Posted By: VanPelten Date: 30 Jun 2022 00:08:18
@stfine: I've already posted track #5 from my freshly (and correctly!) ripped upcoming 6-channel post, here's the link (again:-) so you can give it test ride now...though I still don't know why people use foobar to rip when they can easily get the free FLAC codec in command line or GUI interface:

http://rapidshare.com/files/250069679/TEST_TRACK-6CH.rar

@Guthead: Hey, it's just a matter of luck, I didn't have a clue prior to your situation that some machines still have watermark issues. I've never ever had a problem with my Oppo and any DVD or even rot-gut media; would trade the Marantz and/or Panny to keep my Oppo...if pressed...in a heartbeat! Just upping the 13-files of the new 6-ch. rip as I write this. Burned a DVD-A with them and it tested flawlessly in all three players. If I get positive feedback on it, I'll post a rip of Queen's "Night At The Opera" DVD-A. I'm sure there's a workaround for you...will research and PM you when I find something.
Posted By: stfine Date: 30 Jun 2022 00:20:04
VanPelten, I tried the link, and enjoyed it, but these strings sound good in every configuration :)

I use Foobar not to rip but to play. Stereo acoustic and good headphones are all I have at the moment.
Posted By: acronicmystic Date: 30 Jun 2022 13:41:05
Just reporting that the new 6 Channel version sounds even better than the first because of better surround if you have a 5 to 6 Channel system. The quality of the audio is still as stunning and realistic as the first one and both versions play very perfectly on my Denon DVD-2930CI.

Thank you for being so up-front with everything and for the excellent work you do, Vanpelten, it is very appreciated!
Posted By: amitnewyork Date: 30 Jun 2022 13:45:33
Now...says the troller...the work is complete. Pat yourself where u like it :-))
Posted By: raj_mahid Date: 30 Jun 2022 14:29:38
What can I say but wow, again! This is now the first BEST-SOUNDING audiophile download I've
gotten from here, your previous 4-channel "version" is now the second. Thank you so very much
for the prompt way you handled this and got us the true 6-channel version, sound is awesome!

My Pioneer Elite DV-49 plays it smooth as silk, and DVD-Audio Solo is such a fantastic
dvd audio burning program, I suggest everyone use it.

One last suggestion, should you upload another DVD Audio rip you might want to consider
uploading an ISO from your DVD authoring program so that people could burn it with Nero or
ImgBurn. Just a suggestion, and thanks again!
Posted By: stfine Date: 30 Jun 2022 17:15:28
Wow! One song 'Hotel' weights ~400MB ))) Absolute champion! (Never afforded it if not unlimited traffic) :o)
Posted By: cdfreako Date: 30 Jun 2022 22:36:50
VanPelten, when I saw the re-upload of the six-channel mix, I figured the four-channel "Hotel California" I downloaded from you sounded so fine, it couldn't be better. Especially as I only have a 4-speaker setup. But I couldn't resist and grabbed the whole damned 4+ gigabyets of your new rip, I'm compulsive that way. Hooboy! this one sounds even better, it's a true demonstration-quality DVD Audio Disc to show off my system. This must have been a real hassle for you, but it's very much appreciated. Gracias!
Posted By: Guthead Date: 30 Jun 2022 22:52:16
I'm actually a little confused about the whole thing now (easy to do). If you didn't do anything to circumvent the watermarking, why not just make a straight copy of the AUDIO_TS AND VIDEO_TS (make an ISO) and post them, instead of jumping through hoops ripping, only to restore them to that format anyway? What am I missing?
Posted By: JamesCLN87 Date: 30 Jun 2022 23:12:03
Hotel California sounds amazing on DVD audio, i actually have this DVD-A myself so don't need to download but tis well worth getting if you don't have it!
Posted By: cdfreako Date: 01 Jul 2022 00:01:23
Xcuse me guthead, but weren't you the one whose player can't play watermarked DVD's? So why the petulent attutude? VanPelten has busted his chops getting the burns right, reburning and reuploading, so chill with the petty picking, dude. Maybe he didn't want to post a full-blown 7-gig or so disc? Who knows? Just be grateful there's a bunch of [mostly] thoughtful and appreciative uploaders on this site who share such great stuff. If you ever get a chance to hear Hotel California on DVD audio, do so, it's FABULOUS!!!!!
Posted By: Guthead Date: 01 Jul 2022 00:12:56
Cool it cdfreak; I wasn't nitpicking; I know how much work ripping and posting is. I'm trying to understand the process; educate myself, if you will. It's a lot of work to do what he did (I know because I've done it many times), so I was wondering why he had to do it the way he did. Like I said, I'm no expert and I'm just picking VP's brain.
Posted By: cdfreako Date: 01 Jul 2022 01:07:39
I don't want to get into a dissing match, g(b)uthead, but if you're so anxious to learn about dvd audio, why not do a search for yourself instead of constant nitpicking someone's post who, by your own admission, you can't play on your player? If you've done it "so many times" yourself [tho it's quality not quanity that counts] why not research the biiiiig wiiiide internet? It's amazing what's out there :)

As for posting ISO, why not the 24/96 vinly rips that need to be reauthored to DVD? How come it just occured to you to make the suggestion? T-h-i-n-k-i-n-g and r-e-a-d-i-n-g are fundamental. Say g'night, gracie! LOL!
Posted By: amitnewyork Date: 01 Jul 2022 02:55:37
Posting an ISO of DVD is always a better option, since it gives the downloader ease of burning and presents the DVD in its entirety with all its menus, set up options and such, not to mention saving the uploader all the hassle of going thru ripping and compressing the audio tracks. Just to give an example, I am not sure on this, but I believe, all DVDs come with the PCM 2.0 option in their set-up menus, so those who don't own a 5.1 can enjoy it as well. Now, these tracks have a limited audience, whereas for nearly same amount of work, its audience could have been increased. Anyhow, great job done by VP. Will download tracks now that the post is technically correct. Thank you.
Posted By: gfv0 Date: 01 Jul 2022 07:23:27
Hi, from the other troller (I don't even know what it means). I am just glad more people can be exposed to the amazing sound
quality of hi-res music. I think DVD-audio & SACD failed because people were not exposed to it.

@VanPelten: Thanks for the effort, especialy fixing it. About your credibility, I think it is even higher now. Admitting a
mistake and fixing it so soon, means a lot more. Any chance that you can send me a list of DVD-audio titles you have. I was
lucky to get some of these discs myself. I am always hoping to find people to share with. Do you perhaps have "Fleetwood Mac -
Rumours"?

@amitnewyork: This DVD-audio only have a 6 ch hi-res part, no hi-res stereo tracks. What happens mostly on discs like this,
is that the producer includes downmix coefficients onto the disc, which a proper DVD-audio player uses to play a stereo downmix.
My NAD T535 displays "NO DOWNMIX" when coefficients are not present and plays front L & R channels only on the stereo output.
Posted By: gfv0 Date: 01 Jul 2022 08:01:51
I forgot something, for the people who have now experienced hi-res sound quality. Are you aware of the excellent DVD-audio
"Emerson, Lake And Palmer: Brain Salad Surgery". It is available at Mojave Productions.
Posted By: amitnewyork Date: 01 Jul 2022 09:00:49
@gfv0: Good to see someone keenly paying attention to technicals. I have a few Deep Purple, Depeche Mode, and nearly all Porcupine Tree DVD-As. Will try to post them as and when time permits, of which, unfortunately, I find not much. SACD may "appear" to have failed, but actually, its sales have grown by triple digit percentages in CY 2008, owing especially to a lower base, but also because it has created a niche for itself in the audiophile market with nearly no competitor in sight.
Posted By: Peterquick Date: 01 Jul 2022 10:14:01
You all make excellent and tragically true points, DVD-audio is an infinitely superior medium for hi-res but lack of interest, poor marketing and draconian copy protection have made this an endangered species. Kudos to VanPelten for exposing people to the magic as well as his quick turnaround in correcting an error. All this LP ripping to 24/96 is almost laughable, I've downloaded a few and in every case they don't sound as good as well-mastered CDs. But who am I to call out the emperor's clothing :)

@amitnewyork - Would love to sample your Depeche Mode DVD-As, when you have the time. I'll dig around for something good & rare and upload it. Thanks to my crappy internet provider's stingy 5GB upload cap, I'll have to forgo torrents for the month in order to do so.

Thanks once again to VanPelten for bringing us an audio gem and for galvanizing this interesting discussion.
Posted By: grill Date: 01 Jul 2022 12:42:08
Having read the comments above I think all of us can agree that hi-res audio is always welcome here irrespectively of formats and watermarks. Well done VanPelten, keep sharing!
Posted By: veeren Date: 02 Jul 2022 04:24:35
Hi VanPelten..I'm using DVD Audio Solo to burn downloaded files but following error appears---"E:\HotCalDVDA6CH\01. Hotel California.flac exceeding DVD-Audio specs of 9.6MB/S. File is corrupted or unsupported format." When I try discWelder CHROME II, I can't see any file to be dragged. It reqieres *.wld files. Please help me and provide guidelines for burning
Posted By: VanPelten Date: 02 Jul 2022 13:26:10
vereen: I strongly suggest you read the discWelder Chrome manual...I've uploaded it in case you don't have it -- http://rapidshare.com/files/251048128/CHROME.pdf

But before authoring your DVD audio with DW, you must convert the flac files to waves...dbPoweramp is the only one I can recommend that will do so while keeping the hi-rez multichannel files "as source" -- which is the option you want to select for the conversion. Once you've done that, discWelder will recognize the wave files after you select the directory/folder in the left window. Refer to the the jpeg screen capture I included in the Scans folder that shows discWelder interface with the file directory on the left and the "Hotel California" wave files in the main window. The rest should be intuitive, but check the manual. Good luck!
Posted By: veeren Date: 02 Jul 2022 14:33:18
Hi VanPelten....thanx 4 ur response and support...
Posted By: grill Date: 03 Jul 2022 17:45:01
@veeren: Before authoring MLP encoding is mandatory for DVD-A disc with 5.1 24bit/96Hz audio tracks.
Posted By: VanPelten Date: 03 Jul 2022 21:47:56
@grill: as vereen indicated, he's using discWelder Chrome which does all the encoding during the authoring process once he drags & drops the wave files into the program's album group, there is no need to convert the wavs to mlp, DW Chrome does it for you. The authoring is accomplished from wave, aiff as well as mlp files. I don't know about other authoring programs and their requirements, but discWelder Chrome does it all...it's the cat's ass...:-)

@vereen: just follow the instructions in the DW Chrome manual, you'll be just fine.
Posted By: grill Date: 04 Jul 2022 10:25:46
@VanPelten: As far as I know DiscWelder Chrome II (v2.0.6) does not encode waw files to mlp during authoring. Without mlp encoding six channels of 24-bit, 96kHz Linear PCM audio has a data rate of 13.82 Mbps, which is much greater than the upper limit of 9.6 Mbps data throughput of the DVD-audio standard. MLP encoding can reduce the worst-case data rate to 9.6 Mbps, extending the playing time to the industry standard of 74+ minutes, as well as allowing bit-accurate high-resolution six-channel audio.
Posted By: [email protected] Date: 04 Jul 2022 10:53:43
"You can import uncompressed .wav or. aiff files in our discWelder products (and lossless encoded MLP files with discWelder CHROME) to create DVD-Audio discs" - Minnetonka DiscWelder Chrome II white paper
Posted By: lupin3 Date: 06 Jul 2022 04:14:31
@VanPelten: Unlike your screenshot, in my Chrome the wav files are shown as "unsupported". I used FLAC GUI frontend to convert them to wav. Maybe FLAC does not set headers properly? Does anyone else have the same problem?

I listened to flac on my PC and it sounds awesome. I really appreciate it, but now I am trying to burn a DVD-A...

Has anyone succeeded in burning DVD-A with the new 6 CH files? I was under the same impression as grill that these had to be MLP-compressed beforehand to keep them under 9.6 Mbps, even with the DiscWelder.

Suggestions would be appreciated.
Posted By: grill Date: 06 Jul 2022 07:31:31
@lupin3: My method which is probably not the fastest one but it always works:
1. Foobar 2000: flac -> multi-channel wav
2. TranzCode_GUI: multi-channel wav -> 6 mono wavs
3. SurCode MLP Encoder: 6 mono wavs -> mlp
4. DiscWelder Chrome: mlp -> DVD-audio
Posted By: lupin3 Date: 09 Jul 2022 06:07:16
Much thanks to VanPelten for a great upload.

@grill: That worked! Now I can pop it in my Acura.
Posted By: panto Date: 10 Jul 2022 15:28:14
Hey VanPelten: Can you post the artwork please (hi resolution if possible)...
Posted By: VanPelten Date: 10 Jul 2022 17:57:17
the artwork (300 dpi) is included as part of the entire .rar package inside the "scans" folder.
Posted By: a2677030 Date: 12 Jul 2022 08:32:38
Even plays with Foobar 2000 at 2.0, the quality is very good.
Thank you!
Posted By: spencexxx Date: 12 Jul 2022 23:14:11
I"ve downed and redowned and downed part 5 (not the sample track, the ordered ones!)
again, and it errors out every time in 2 different mac programs.
Any suggestions that DON"T involve Windows?
Thanks!
Posted By: VanPelten Date: 16 Jul 2022 21:49:10
@spencexxx: I wish I could help you, but I'm a dummy when it comes to Macs. However, I understand there are lots of Rar expanders for that platform...some of them freeware. I only know of Winrar for Mac, here's a link to downlad the trial which should work for you: http://en.softonic.com/s/winrar-mac:mac
Posted By: rsfoto Date: 18 Jul 2022 04:14:05
@spencexxx

I have had NO problems on my Mac. Make sure your part 4 is not corrupted, part of the track in part 5 may begin in part 4. Everything downloads, expands just fine for me. Don't use WinRAR for Mac, unless you are a "power user", it is command line only. I usually use RarMachine or on occasion UnRarX to expand RAR's. Use XLD to send FLAC's to iTunes or use Audacity to create stereo mixdowns. Please feel free to PM me if you still have problems.
Posted By: priority Date: 27 Jul 2022 08:23:02
This has to be one of the best uploads on AvaxHome. After I burned it to disk this morning I popped it straight away into my music system. It just sounds SOOOOOOOOO good. Thanks VanPelten for this great upload.
Posted By: ragsiaf Date: 10 Aug 2021 13:36:11
hi vanPelten,
Thanx a lot for this wonderful work. However, after downloading all the 13 .rar parts, i put them in a folder and clicked 'extract to a specified folder'. It extrected the .rar file into hotcaldvda6ch folder. But only 5 songs could be extracted successfully ( life in the fast lane, wasted time, wasted time (reprise, victim of love and pretty maids all in a row). Other files got corrupted. A message came during extraction "G:\hotcaldvd6ch.part02.rar packed data CRC failed in 01. hotel california.flac. The volume is corrupt". another message read "CRC failed in 01. Hotel California.Flac. The file is corrupt". Similar messages cme for other corrupted songs also. Can u pls guide me to know, which .rar file out of those 13 downloaded files is corrupt? Or, do I need to download all the 13 files again? Your guidance will help me a lot in getting this lovely lovely album in full... Thanx, Rags
Posted By: spencexxx Date: 18 Aug 2021 10:23:04
Nope, still no good.... redowned 4,5 and 6, used rarmachine, unrarx, commandline, and WINDOWS Winrar to no avial. I'm just going to delete and chalk it up to a waste of time. Glad everyone else is enjoying it though!
Posted By: Sartre Date: 06 Sep 2021 12:49:23
To anyone claiming that Discwelder Chrome converts wav files to mlp automatically the Chrome manual states explicitly:

"The DiscWelder CHROME II program does not include an MLP encoder, but it can import soundfiles that are MLP encoded."

I still don't understand why he refers to these supposed "DVD-A rips" as "DTS rips" in the headers. I wonder if he's actually converting the lossy dts tracks instead of the mlp tracks. Wouldn't that be funny...

Posted By: THE_COW_IS_OK Date: 01 Oct 2021 11:29:35
The RS upload link is empty.
Thanks for checking.
Posted By: Anishtain_DM Date: 23 Oct 2021 10:23:12
There is no link on link's list
Please check thanks
Posted By: atanercan Date: 29 Oct 2021 19:37:52
what is the pass to enter rs
Posted By: amscray Date: 01 Nov 2021 03:46:53
no links visible for this post--can you kindly check/reup? thx
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