Fallujah:The Hidden Massacre: Documentary: Chemical Weapons used by US in Iraq

It is very sad that things like that are allowed to happen.

War is hell and often times the innocent pay. The scenes are indeed graphic but depending so much on the testimony of essentially two individuals is a difficult way to get the truth. There is entirely too much speculation and unsustantiated charges in the piece to convince me of the basic premise. That premise may be true, but the engineer in me wants things to be sustantiated a bit better and not depend on the graphic horror of wartime death to convince me.

this is the true terrorism, Bush, Blair, Sharon, Alzarqawi are the same...really sad to see such kind of crimes in the 21st century...

its funny how peoples minds are so subjectively & easily influenced by what they read..
sometimes you have to question deeper the texts you read and the pictures which accompany them..
you can sit at your computer and believe what is in the above article - but the more intelligent and inquisitive amongst you will ask whether it is true, where the pictures came from, and are they really depicting the true events as are described in the article..
hoaxes and false reporting is very easy in situations where nobody is there to give a conflicting account of events..

you should take a moment to use your own mind to question authenticity and to realise that the first story you read about an event may not always be the truth..
Bush/Blair are focused in their desire for peace and democracy throughout the world, although it may not always appear that way, and they have controvercial methods for administering their goodwill..
HOWEVER - Terrorists and despotic leaders remain the true scurge on this planet, and their people/followers are so weak-willed that they are unable to break the shallow confines and questionable foundations of their own religion and its purpose..
they are often using the name of islam to defend their own pathetic actions as being just and right..
what glory they have in their martyrdom, using their religion and an excuse to express their hatred of all that is beyond their religion..

I dont have any intentions to start a debate war here, but a simple google search will give sufficient proofs to the claim of usage of White phosporus on Iraqi enemy combatants by the US. Lots of credible sites and sources have carried this news.

The US itlself has candidly admitted the usage of white phosphorus on enemy combatants after several rounds of denial

Whatever tall claims the allied forces make, the War should end...

Bombing for Peace is like Fu3k1ng for Virginity

He He, we don't need explanations here, it is what it shows, as 911 was what it showed.
it seems that we have here; fanatics against fanatics, both don't respect the human life.

O.K. i'm sure americans have used lot of dirty tricks,i mean after all they are known to flex the rules way they like, but W.T.F. this movie shows??? Nothing. Some stupid dork had overheard radio chater in his truck , and some ''doctor'' talks in arabic , pictures of blackened corps in full dress ... Fire aint that choosing , phosphorus will burn thru shirt as well as skin. This movie looks bit like Bush's '' why we should attack Iraq'' . No real facts , just lot of smoke. Please give me hard evidence, and let ME do the math.

digitalvampire wrote:

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digitalvampire Дата: 26-11-2005 / 20:05 Цитировать I dont have any intentions to start a debate war here, but a simple google search will give sufficient proofs to the claim of usage of White phosporus on Iraqi enemy combatants by the US. Lots of credible sites and sources have carried this news. The US itlself has candidly admitted the usage of white phosphorus on enemy combatants after several rounds of denial Whatever tall claims the allied forces make, the War should end... Bombing for Peace is like Fu3k1ng for Virginity

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You are absolutely right, man.

Bush & Blair & Sharon are the Holy Monsters of horribleness, destruction and sadism.
There's no trace of peace in their monstrous minds, but power, oil and dollars... Fuck them before they fuck us...

LMFAO @ Cenio..
another imbacile who believes everything they see published in the media...you are completely pathetic, and unable to form your own judgements and opinions..

also the bizarre thing is that you include Sharon in your argument..issues relating to israel are separate to those in iraq - unless you are an islamophile, and want to skew this thread not only to cover the iraq war, but to use it as an anti-western rant linked to the plight of those in israel..

whilst you appear to hate western values, i'm pretty sure you are surrounded by western comforts right now - your physical posessions, your foods, your communication devices - everything you have is a product of a freedom loving western democracy...without these things you would be unable to sit at your computer right now, and would live an even more meaningless existance than u already do...

at least digitalvampire had something worthwhile to add to the conversation (even tho i only agreed partly)

as for the use of white phosphorus:-
YES - the US did use it, that cannot be denied...but..
NO - the pictures do NOT prove the usage, and may not even be of victims of its usage...the pictures could have been of something totally different, or a of a situation where there was justification..

if you believe everything you read, would you also believe that the pictures could have been of some impoverished idiot playing with fire or munitions destined for a destructive act??

use your brain a little more Cenio and learn to question what u see - who knows, you may oneday become wise before you die..!!

Seems as if franky07 is a US soldier. He is getting too hot under the collar and insulting others for having an opinion.
My opinion is that, usually there is nothing we the public can do about a war so we have to just hope for the best and wish that peace comes soon.
Can I be slagged off for wishing for peace?
Hmmm... There is always one who will. :)

at last somebody weblists with a good rational opinion..

all everybody wants is peace, and that is why the west is standing firmly against tyranny, to try to give repressed people (like the iraqi people) a chance to have a voice and to be able to express their opinions without fear...just as we are able to here..

heehee, and no, i'm NOT a US soldier or anything...i'm from the UK, and actually really hate the disgusting, fat, over-indulgent, stinking yanks.!!

What is difference between USA and UK?
I not see.

интересно как работает

Ну совсем замучили басурмане - русского языка, что-ли, не знают. А наши "исламские братья" что, ожидали, что им на парашютах будут сбрасывать портреты Жириновского и мороженые "ножки Буша" в качестве диетпитания? Нет уж, как говаривал знакомый еврей-
"Давайте не будем, но если будем - так давайте!"

Вот-с

@Francky07: What a load of bullshit and usual Western arrogance! Tell me, UK boy, what about Northern Ireland? A clear majority there wants you out and you keep them under goddamn occupation – nothing else. Brutal force. But – no, when it comes to your (UK/US) interests, no existing rules are good enough, i.e. no existing rules cannot be changed, bended or just ignored: you’re acting as if you entitled to do whatever you want in the whole world – it just doesn’t matter where – Waco ranch (where FBI slaughtered over 70 people, many of them women and children – hey, they were just expressing their “freedom of thought/speech”!)), Northern Ireland or somewhere thousands of kilometers away from your homes. Still remember how you (UK/US) unlawfully and savagely, ignoring all known international law attacked and bombed a sovereign country in Europe, killing thousands of civilians, just because that country used its armed forces to quell an armed rebellion within its borders? Or was that just a test, for Iraq, which was also, attacked “illegally” (without proper order from the World Government – the Security Council)? Or those rules are just not applicable to “the Great Powers”? Or – how about American decision not to acknowledge the International Court for War Crimes (founded by the UN) while in the same time is shamefully forcing in bilateral contacts “small” countries to oblige them not to deliver American war criminals (do I need to cite now each and every crime they committed in the last 50 years only?) to the Court? And in the same time, the Americans are demanding from many of them to “fulfill their obligations towards the International Community”…And btw which country has ignored every UN resolution if it only hinted “violation of their national interests”? Do try to guess.. All in all, this – the time we are living – is a dictatorship, plain and open, imposed by the West, and first of all by its brains – the UK – and its muscle – the US. Owning such truth-bending media as CNN, it’s very easy to convince almost everyone that you are really trying to “free” some “unfortunate” people and to bring them “freedom” – and, heck, if that noble goal requires to bomb that very people – what the hell, they are “so weak willed” bastards that anyway are only living “their meaningless lives”. So, why not? Bomb away!

And what was that about the technology??? First of all, you are sitting there, in your comfy home, working on your computer because one Serb provided you with electricity (ever heard of Tesla? The same guy who invented radio-waves?). The foundation of rocket science provided famous Russian scientist Konstantin Tsiolkovsky at the beginning of the XX century and we all know who provided the Americans with the know-how for the space program (yes, they were Nazis – but, hey, those were national interests we were talking about; anything different now?). Do I need to continue? Yes, many things you did yourself and yes, Tesla did work in the US, because they had the money. But, why wouldn’t you have the money? You – the Brits – were robbing the world for centuries through colonial system (providing the “unfortunate” nations occasionally with one or two water supply systems just to show them your “technological superiority “– how silly that was in a country of such civilization, non-Western though – if you can imagine that there can be such, as India’s –you try to figure it out) and the US is doing the same thing from the beginning of the XX century through dollar system and others schemes. It just about “national interests”, “national security” and “defense of the realm”, isn’t it? To hell with the rest – and that’s all there is to it.

ok let me swiftly leave this debate and find my next useful download...:(

sheesh it was a mistake opening this thread.

Since when did AvaxHome become a stage for political propaganda. If I want that sort of stuff, there are plenty of other places to get it. Let's keep this site enjoyable and leave the politics to the politicians.

Chill out Guys...Peace...

I thought of posting a few more controversial videos, but this itself is a good lesson to learn..

Please.. Lets keep politics out of the threads and lets share the information without fighting over words.

War does not decide who is right but who is left

hahahaha Praetorian...

you speak some truths, certainly, but you did fail to mention that AlexanderGraham Bell was a Scottish man, who also went to America where he invented something very very important..but the Scottish dont claim to be the starting point of all global telecommunications..so why have YOU bothered with all the daft history.!!!???

anyhow, i'm sure you wasted time with your grammatically, verbally and furthermore contextually flawed rubbish..

also, always remember there is an 'ASS' in ASSUME - you should not assume that i am a 'UK boy'..
there are such things as women, did you realise - or do you prefer the comfort of your own hand.??
assumptions can lead to errors, just like the assumption that all you read is correct..

anyhow - F*cking illegal eastern european balkan immigrants, they are minced into dog food over here....

boys please dont talk about politics, US kills poeple, Russia kills people, China kills people, muslim terrorist kills people, palestinian kills people, jews kills people, every nation in past kills some people, i know - this is an a AvaxHome.ru - which means that no matter what happen in Iraq - US are bad, muslim terrorist are ok and Russia still want to be a super nation as in past in the time so called "cold war" - but please can WE focus on science, warez, music - not on politics?

the secondary effect of eat too much mc donalds...

whoever thinks or assumes the pictures are fake should go to the shrink to check up on his or her sanity.
Most of you have never known what war is like, sitting in the comfort of your own home, and in front of a dull pc, judging what actually goes on in theatres of conflict.... Ill be glad to send anyone a compilation of the atrocites my government (US) has committed in iraq. In addition I have footage from vietnam. We are torturers, murderers, and pluderers of the earth... all this to sustain our pathetic way of life. Now, that is pathetic.

Of whatever everybody thinks of it here, what takes place is unacceptable on behalf of the USA.

They can always speak to us of 911. But in Iraq I do not see the report.

I would be combat as the Iraqis against the occupiers, if my country was occupied as l`Iraq.

If you have others reports or photographs on question of Iraq, it would be good that you make the post here. Because is not the pentagon which will say to us the truth.

Thank you for this post.

I WANT PEACE!
ANd DONT Want to be monopolized by tvs and US & UKS

Take it from this woman from Canada.
When I saw what happened on 911, I was shocked.
To zest I can say this much. Where two towers stood and many around it in New York, now there is a big hole. People from many nations died, that had no intentions to go to war. That is the proof.
Neither the buildings or the people who only were going to do a days work who had nothing to do with the military were gone. Simple proof of why the USA went to war, but ....
Regardless, I am sure many shocking things are going on in the other parts of the world, and in Iraq, and even though you are supposed to be my enemy, I pray for peace for you, and for our countries.
All that matters, is if we all keep blaming each other, killing each other, using Gods name for our reasons to kill, then there can be no peace.
Whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or any religion, if we look into our books of what we see as holy, none of them condone violence.
Neither will blame of the past, or now, bring peace.
What is important here is that we this forum are friends.
It shows we can help one another, and perhaps learn the real truth. To share this world, remove the invisable borders, and instead of blame and war, perhaps we might find the time to save others who are starving, or living in conditions much below what we see now.
We could all be working together to help save this world. Instead we waste all the posibilities on war. We cannot bring back the people from 911, nor the innocent people killed in Iraq.
But as long as any of us continue to hate, throw blame, and kill one another, nothing will change.
So let us not accept any political reasoning, or movies as truth, especially ones asking for more hate.
We all know any movie can be altered to tell a truth that is in fact a lie.
The real truth here is that when the young on both sides "refuse" to pick up arms of destruction which will destroy any human being.
Well that is when a real truth will be accomplished.
That truth being "Peace on Earth" for all who truly want it.

http://www.counterpunch.com/lindorff11262005.html

Thanks a lot. :)
I could really unleash my 'just under the surface' anger at the worlds warmongering..I mean the WESTERN world of course. However, I just want to relax, it is late and I kind of like the statement made above so here it is quoted for you to read again...simple but very true:
'War does not decide who is right but who is left'
Bravo!



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ChickenLady

Appear that I can speak to to you also of 911,This neighbour from my home.
In spite of shock, in spite of fact that my Canadians' rights change because of this history.
It n`y has nothing to give proof move in Iraq, and with the chemical on top of that. The Americans since the beginning lied has their citizens.
The next conflict will be obviously l`Iran.
Always precautionary attacks....

Germans to the last war still spoke.

But Nagasaki, Hiroshima, the Vietnam, the corea. +++ anybody speaks about it. It nearly always hush up about what the USAs made. Because always justified.

No other country can knock as a precautionary measure.???

How you want the rest of the planet to end up not not liking the behaviour of the USAs?

You can show me of soldiers us to torture in Iraq?

You try to defend !!!!!.

You would take the liberty today of defending Hitler. Indeed that not.

But bush and Cie, you cannot see that scandal after scandal kinds... Do you think that this administration goes to go out?

It would be necessary in lisen that everybody forgets the poor things of states, under pretext victims terrorism were.

Question is always the same. Why the interests of the Americans are always purposeful in the world? There must be many people who like{love} them not .For what ?

I understand especially in the Canada have is less to censor mass media in. This is a good debate. And you should go to see sites more. Very good reference.

There is no difference between religious terrorism and state-sponsored one. From Hiroshima to Vietnam, from Srebrenica to Rwanda, horrors and massacres can not be excused or justified by anything. I guess people react stronger when USA are doing it, as they always try to convince the rest of the world that they are this beacon of democracy and justice.
People are not against so-called Western values, but against betrayal of these values.

pozdrav sa Balkana
greetings from the Balkans

Any crime against humanity is digging our own grave. No reason can justify any killing. Only when people forget their differences and join their efforts for the total upliftment of humans and our planet will there be light...terror is horror and peace is happiness..where there is contentment there will be peace.hope, wish and pray that the minds wake up and see reason soon! Greetings to u all! Humanji, India

Very sad!!! Avaxhome is becoming a platform for political propaganda? Most of the visitors here doesn´t want propaganda for OR against some kind of politics nor they want discussions about the "right" or "wrong" religion nor they want become avaxhome a platform for or against some kind of "lifestyle".

Would you be so kind, stop postings things like that on avaxhome and use the time instead to post some stuff that is NOT a trigger to hate each other!!?!?!

If one side is starting to post a special point of view, we have to allow the other side to post something against it for democratical reason. The second post will trigger a much more fierce reaction from the other side...and so on ...and so on...and so on...and we are in the vicious circle and cannot stop the hate and aggression against each other anymore!

I want you to understand, that your kind of "enlightenment" is just causing a fierce backlash with scoldings. This scoldings causing more scoldings and only hate in the heart of the people! So do you want to spread hate on avaxhome??

Every intelligent person knows that Bush is an idiot and everybody knows that this war is not justified! (btw: NO war is justified and suicide bomings are not justified as well).

The majority on avaxhome is already anti-american, so you do not catch the right people with your "message". And if one person is visiting this site who has a different opinion on this topic, he will not download your stuff. So wake up man: You are here at the wrong place and this stuff is not doing any good for the avaxhome-community!

Hey friends! do you want more evidences? Well, you have to take a tour to the beautiful land of Irak! If you don't believe Abu Grahib jail's horrors, if you don't believe how Apache's tripulations play splitting bodys with their superammo, you have to go to the marvelous cities of calm of Irak. Bush and his government are very dangerous murders. For them, money and power must be for USA. The rest of the world must be at their feet. Why are terrorists who fight for their dignity and their freedom, and don't have family because was exterminated by USA soldiers?

C'mon guys. Is there anyone amoung us that actually believe that Islam and Muslims are a good thing? After all of the destruction in France, one might think that the French would finally wake up and smell the coffee too. I just can't understand why people are against the US bombing the hell out of those terrorists. I think it is time for the wimpy civilized nations of the world to join forces and lock, load and reload until Islam is history. Why waiste any more time? Certainly Israel is deserving of a few bombs too, so let them have it too. Lets just all join forces and face up to the fact that these people are terrorists and they hate me and they hate you too and the world would be a much happier place without them.

Hey friend, you are a neonazi!! Well, I recommend you to clean the world of people who don't think and speak like you. It includes arabs, jewish, asians, latins, africans, etc.... but hurry, every day born more and more of them, because they make the love, not the war!!! hehehe

I like Latins and Asians.

Besides, all of your crying is finally getting back to the US. They now have plans to leave. Is this really what the world wants? Besides, a main reason why the Europeans didn't want to go to war was because they were too busy getting fat and rich off the oil for food program. That's the program where select European politicians were getting rich by supplying Iraq with weapons. How nice...

USA=UK=real terrorism

LoL... guys just ignore those useless shit heads whom there governments brain washed them thru FOx CNN and sky news and then they come to speak about democracy...didnt you hear the latest news UK boy about BUSH bombing AlJazeera TV news channel and Daily mirror stopped to publish any more info about the subject just to hide the truth and Blair refused to comment on the matter...

I guess alot of ppl has already mentioned the War crimes thru using atomic bombs and napalm and and and ....endless list and am sure more to come...so i wont mention that again..

anyway for those ignorant Ass wipes such as franky07 and co...i will say you stay in your island and watch others and stay the dog tail to USA as george micheal said ;)

I just think it is the perfect time to kick some terrorist butt and a few cry baby Europeans are trying to ruin it for the rest of humanity. From the latest news reports, it is obvious that the French hate the Muslims but are too wimpy to do anything about it. The Germans and French are too afraid of getting found out about all of their schemes to arm Iraq in the oil for food scam. That leaves old but good Europe and Russian to jump in and help. Together we could send those terrorist back to Allah. What a glorious day that would be.

You Europeans that oppose the war should really be ashamed. Your grandparents are probably rolling over in their graves with the disrespect that you have towards them and all of the hard work that they put into cleansing 7-13 million innocent people off of your continent. I just saddens me.

USA and UK are not better than those terrorists. Just greed that driving these countries. In the history, how many countries that had been claimed to be part of Great Britain? And yet, Britain people are very pround for what their country had done. Consider from this disgusting activity, I don't know how British people could possibly call their country as "Great Britain". And now USA is coming to be like what Great Britain were in the past, it's a shame that these people don't know how to live in peace.

Guess which 2 ppl on this post are brainwashed to the extreme and are racist as hell? They just seem to be very stupid ppl with no brain whatsoever.
Which country is right or wrong does not matter because a person will make his country the "right" one so why bother but to say that UK is great, all Muslims are terrorists, French are idiots, Germans are this and that, Europeans are sneaky etc. is just plain stupidity.

It seems some ppl hate just about everyone except thenselves. Mentally retarded from birth causes these types of opinions but there is no cure except a firing squad...
Line up bigots!

hay franky07.. i would respect ur opinions if u were respecting others opinions...
I AM A MUSLIM and am proud of it..and I hate those idiots that hide behind my religion to terrorize the world. I dont hav a problem with the US/UK ppl (and i have alot of friends from their) but with their governments. All they think abt is money and domination!
well no matter wat the F*ck is the motive.. NO F*ckin chemical weapons should be used cuze they are killin innocent ppl too.. in fact NO Weapons should be used in any situation.
another thing.. since US government is so angry about Iraq havin nuclear power.. y dont they despose their own Nuclear bombs?? in Fact, come to Philastine and c the huge "collection" of nuclear bombs that Sharon has... and if he wasnt so near to us and afraid of bombin consequenses, he would use them in a heart beat! (again no bad feelings toward Jewish who want peace)
Change starts from us.. so get a life franky07, and learn some respect!

I was talkin about Iran in the last part

Good point.
Now this thread will be closed and no more postings will be possible. Thank you for your inputs.